Former Area 51 employee?
Bob Lazar
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Bob Lazar Biographical Data:Robert Scott Lazar or Bob Lazar, (Born January 26, 1959, in Coral Gables, Florida, United States to Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner) Lazar claims to have worked from 1988 until 1989 as a physicist at an area called S-4 (Sector Four), located near Groom Lake, Nevada, next to Area 51. According to Lazar, S-4 served as a hidden military location for the study of and possibly reverse engineering extraterrestrial flying saucers. Lazar says he saw nine different discs there and provides details on their mode of propulsion. His critics have pointed out that "Lazar's credibility crumbled" after "schools he was supposed to have attended had no record of him, while others in the scientific community, such as Edward Teller, had no memory of ever meeting him." In November 1989, Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his alleged employment at S-4. In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he first thought the saucers were secret, terrestrial aircraft, whose test flights must have been responsible for many UFO reports. Gradually, on closer examination and from having been shown multiple briefing documents, Lazar came to the conclusion that the discs must have been of extraterrestrial origin. In his filmed testimony, Lazar explains how this impression first hit him after he boarded the craft under study and examined their interior. For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic element 115 served as a nuclear fuel. Element 115 (nicknamed 'Ununpentium' (Uup)) reportedly provided an energy source which would produce anti-gravity effects under proton bombardment along with the production of antimatter used for energy production. Lazar's website says, as the intense strong nuclear force field of element 115's nucleus would be properly amplified, the resulting effect would be a distortion of the surrounding gravitational field, allowing the vehicle to immediately shorten the distance to a charted destination. Bob Lazar's Story:In order to piece together Bob Lazar's story, I have tried to use just government web sites and Bob Lazar’s own web page (www.boblazar.com) for reference. I’ll start by giving you some background on clearances and access...First Lazar claims to have two degrees, and on official record? Did the government sneak into his house and destroy his two diplomas and all myriad transcripts and written/typed documents from CIT-MIT? Lazar says he has degrees from CalTech and MIT... In 1993, the "Los Angeles Times" looked into his background and found there was no evidence to support his claims. "cite_note-LATimes1993-0" Stanton Friedman was only able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at "Los Angeles Pierce Junior College" "cite_note-The_Bob_Lazar_Fraud-4" The Times did discover that in 1990 Lazar had plead guilty to Felony Pandering, declared Bankruptcy and listed his occupation as a self-employed photo processor on documents. A 1991 Times article reported, Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada on a pandering charge. His educational and professional background cannot be verified -- a fact he attributes to government deletion of records. "cite_note-LATimes1991-5" Check out what the elder statesman of UFOlogy says about Bob Lazar... "The Bob Lazar Fraud" by Stanton Friedman http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sflazar.html On Bob Lazar’s Web Page: http://www.boblazar.com/closed/calendar.htm He states from his calendar of 1988 that his first interview at EG&G was on 1 December 1988 and he actually worked at AREA 51 – S4 the last five days which would have been the Christmas holidays, a time where most of the Government and military are on Leave/Vacation/Or Comp Time. http://www.boblazar.com/closed/tape.htm Just because you have a Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret Security Clearance does NOT mean you are authorized to view classified information. To access classified information or equipment or facilities, you must meet two specific requirements: A Security Clearance equal to the classification of the information or material and an appropriate NEED TO KNOW. Just because you have a Top Secret Clearance does not give you access to any information that you don’t have a ‘Need To Know.’ No one is supposed to be granted access to classified information solely because of rank, position, or a security clearance and that includes the President. Acronyms such as ATOMAL, CNWDI, COMSEC, COSMIC, CRYPTO, NOFORN, ORCON, SAP, SCI, SIOP-ESI, SPECAT, SIOP-ESI, etc., are not clearances. They are categories of classified information, some of which have extra need-to-know restrictions or require special access authorizations. A SAP is defined as: "a program established for a specific class of classified information and/or materials that imposes safeguarding and access requirements that EXCEED those normally required for information at the same classification level." Technically, a SCI is a SAP. Some SAPs are referred to as "black" programs; the very existence of which can be classified. Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) and Special Access Programs (SAP) are granted under very limited circumstance and the SAP is through a completely different process than clearances. So Lazar would have to had a Top Secret Clearance which he could have verified through DISCO for up to ten years after his last classified job. As Lazar says; Being a scientist at Top Secret Facility, working on Top Secret Equipment, using Top Secret Data/Information/Material(s) his security clearance (48 Levels above Top Secret with a ‘Q’ SCI might look like: Top Secret-SCI-Full ( EBI / Poly FSP - FS - LS - TS / Q / SI-TK / SAP-TS) Even then, he would have only been authorized to access the material he needed to complete his specific mission and duties. And NO person is allowed UNACCOMPANIED access with this type clearance. Again, not even the President. The following pertains to Bob Lazar’s own Web page: http://www.boblazar.com/closed/robert.htm Lazar notes that he had 'Majestic' clearance and that this clearance level was 48 levels above "Q" clearance. According to EVERYTHING I know, there are no levels above Top Secret. But as stated above there are many many SCIs, SAPs, and many other identifiers for BLACK programs. Of the thousands of people in the DoD, military, and civilian workers that I’ve known, not one of them ever used the term ‘Majestic’ in terms of a clearance (1967-1999). “The FBI quickly formed doubts as to the documents' authenticity. FBI personnel contacted the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (counterintelligence), asking if MJ-12 had ever existed. AFOSI claimed that no such committee had ever been authorized or formed, and that the documents were “bogus.” The FBI adopted the AFOSI opinion and the FBI’s official position became that the MJ-12 documents were "completely bogus.” “However, when Stanton Friedman contacted the AFOSI officer, Col. Richard Weaver, who had rendered this opinion, Friedman said Weaver refused to document his assertion. Friedman also noted that Weaver had taught Disinformation and Propaganda courses for AFOSI and was principal author of the Air Force’s debunking Roswell report in 1994. (Friedman, 110-115)” See link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12 During the period of 1988 it took about six months just to get a plain Top Secret clearance. Read this personal process: http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/nsa-interview.pdf of a guy that made it to 3.5 months before being denied a TS clearance and he had a very clean record. The President, Congress, Generals could get the type of clearance he would have to had in 3-4 months at best. Lazar’s clearance process would have taken a minimum of 6 months, but more likely a year, not THREE weeks. On this site link; http://www.boblazar.com/closed/robert.htm is Lazar’s W2 for the year 1989. It says he earned $958.11 in 1989. According to his alleged degrees and experience he would have made between $20H/$800W to $25H/$1000W or 41K-52K yearly as a Defense Contractor. There are regulations that tell you what you can pay a civilian on any type government/military programs. In 1987 Edgar Fouche was making $55K a year as a Senior Program Manager and in 1989 Fouche was making $70K a year as Director of Engineering. So Lazar’s wages for that year that he was paid by the Navy was for about a weeks worth and they took out about 25% of what he made. Seems legit right?? NOT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-2#W-2 Lazar says he ‘started at the end of December 1988’. Now what’s the problem with this? Well the W2 you receive has the year you worked and all are processed at the end of each work year and mailed out by 31 January of the following year. So the W2 unequivocally states it was for the year 1989 and does not reflect any work he may have had in 1988. So the timeline for all the things about UFOs he’s stated over 20 years is based on the year he worked at Area 51/S-4 which was 1988 according to him. Yet his 1989 W2 he uses as proof shows this to be untrue. He even uses his myriad old calendars to support his employment in 1988, which the 1989 W2 disproves. Lazar points out on his web page: ‘Note at the top of the slip is a field reserved for the O.M.B. (Office of Management and Budget.)’ like it’s something special that validates his argument. Well The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) approves all IRS tax forms that are subject to the Act and each IRS form contains (in or near the upper right corner) the OMB approval number, if assigned. So the ‘OMB No. 1545-0008 is the OMB Document Control number, nothing else and teachers and clerks have the same thing on their W2. See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/library/OMBINV.TREASURY.html He claimed in an interview that he was ‘called in to Area-51 to help them figure out how the UFOs propulsion worked’ (several models in a hanger) and recommended by the famous Dr. Teller which Teller denied. According to This Document the DOD transferred its investigations functions to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) in February 2005... In 1988-89 the OMB DID NOT ISSUE ‘Q’ clearances to the DoD or the Navy or EG&G as Lazar states. http://www.boblazar.com/closed/calendar.htm ---------Transcript for Bob Lazar Interview--------- DECEMBER 6, 1988 Lazar: The following day the 6th was another short interview... meeting people and then finally going up there. Q: This is the day they flew you up there... the sixth... one day after the panel? Lazar: That doesn't make sense. This is the day that I went there. I remember writing "Trip to Nowhere" on there. G: That's when you went to S4 the first time. Lazar: Yeah, this is the first trip to Area 51. G: Are you sure... where was the EG&G... Lazar: Here. G: That's EG&G at four... where's the EG&G over here? Lazar: Here. G: Wow... that had to be dropping the resume off. Lazar: Yeah, I know... that's when the resume... G: Well, what was this on the 28th? Lazar: See, I don't know. G: Looks like you scribbled out EG&G. Lazar: It was always the day before Teller called, though. Q: Well, this will still work... you can wrestle with your memories and say... was that right or wrong... no one's going to really be too interested in... Lazar: Well, obviously this is the day I went up... this was the day of the first interview... the second interview was somewhere in there... Q: Trip to Nowhere is December 6th... and that's about a four o'clock flight up there? Lazar: Right. Q: And they called you at two... three? Lazar: Right before two o'clock. Q: Okay. Now, you had no idea they were going to call you, right? Lazar: Right. I had no idea at all. Q: Okay. Did you take anything or just your two shoes... you just went down to the airport and... Lazar: Just went there... Q: And they told you to get on the airplane and... ---------End of Segment---------
Remember Bob states; ‘DECEMBER 1, 1988’ was his ‘First interview with EG&G.’ By the 6th of December he was on his way to Area 51… Then on the same date (6 December 1988) G notices a note on the calendar that shows Lazar dropping his resume off. What?, after he already got the job and got one of the highest clearances in the USA?, THEN he drops of his resume? Okay we’ll presume he dropped his resume off on his way to Area 51... This site reinforces my comments based on known documented experiences with getting a ‘Q’ Clearance, not to mention one “48 Levels above Q.”
DECEMBER 20, 1988 L: The Alpha Probe Contract was renewed on the 20th. Tracy's dad visits on the 23rd... her sister comes in on the 26th... Robin... this is when, now that I have my job, I'm training Wayne's wife, 'cause Tracy decided she no longer wanted to do photos... training Wayne's wife how to do photos... so.. DECEMBER 26-30, 1988 L: Within the 26th through the 30th is when Thigpen showed up. Cause Robin was here and so was Kris... Robin and Kris were here the day Thigpen showed up... so within those five days is when Thigpen showed up and before this... somewhere... was another surprise visit from those guys that was never recorded. Q: Before Thigpen? L: Right. G: You already know Thigpen was with the OFI, right? Q: No, you say OFI... I'm familiar with the OSI... but what is the OFI? DECEMBER 14, 1988 http://www.boblazar.com/closed/calendar.htm L: Black and white Groom Lake photo done. I think this is when I blew up a photo of Groom Lake to see... G: That was that old photo of Groom Lake from the '60's or something... wasn't it? L: Right... I had just gotten back from there about a week ago... Q: And you wanted to see what? L: If it had changed... Q: Well, it sounds to me like you were interested in seeing where you were up there? L: Right. Q: Where did that photograph come from that you blew up? That negative? L: Where did that come from? Q: That's okay... that's interesting... so you were in the darkroom taking a look at where you were. G: I think you made a negative from another photo and enlarged that negative of that photo... you know what I mean... I don't think you had access to a negative... L: No... G: I think we had gotten another picture from somewhere and he made a negative and then enlarged that... L: I was trying to look for the building that I went in... Q: Okay. Was it there? L: I couldn't tell. It was just too big. Q: When you got off the airplane up there, what did they do... did they just drop you on an airstrip and you walk off into a receiving area... L: No... there's like a little electric... not a golf cart thing... but one that seats several people... like a tour bus type of thing... but all open and that just takes you from the strip to the last couple of buildings on the end... Q: People get off at different points... DECEMBER 14, 1988 It seems that Bob is saying he had a photo of Groom from the 60s, where he might have gotten one is hard to believe. He says he wanted to see if Groom AB had changed since then compared to his visual observation I presume. Edgar Fouche says: "I’ve known a lot of people that worked at Groom AB, including Test Pilots and Engineers. I was there in '78 which I’ve proved. From 78 to 90 all of my associates who were at Groom stated unequivocally that the private plane service from McCarrin Air Port in LV, the Contractor and Military busses from LV or Tonopah or the Nevada Test Site had the windows locked shut and were completely darkened out. And when you’re at Area 51 which includes Groom AB and S4 as well as many other classified areas that even the shuttles are darkened out. ONLY those people actually authorized to work on the flight-line or ramp on equipment or during Test Flights were allowed to see anything outdoors. When we went from the Engineering hanger to the supply depot we wore welder’s type goggles and couldn’t see anything further than a few dozen yards. And we were escorted by a guy with an automatic weapon. He implies that it is a satellite picture and he blew it up. It must have been extremely high quality to blow up enough to see any details from orbit, especially a 1960 photo..." DECEMBER 20, 1988 L: The Alpha Probe Contract was renewed on the 20th. Tracy's dad visits on the 23rd... her sister comes in on the 26th... Robin... this is when, now that I have my job, I'm training Wayne's wife, 'cause Tracy decided she no longer wanted to do photos... training Wayne's wife how to do photos... so... DECEMBER 26-30, 1988 L: Within the 26th through the 30th is when Thigpen showed up. Cause Robin was here and so was Kris... Robin and Kris were here the day Thigpen showed up... so within those five days is when Thigpen showed up and before this... somewhere... was another surprise visit from those guys that was never recorded. Q: Before Thigpen? L: Right. G: You already know Thigpen was with the OFI, right? L: No, you say OFI... I'm familiar with the OSI... but what is the OFI? Was he home during these visits where he’s training Wayne’s wife? Not Area 51? “DOD transferred its investigations functions to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) in February 2005.” In 1988-89 the OMB DID NOT ISSUE ‘Q’ clearances to the DoD or the Navy or EG&G as Lazar states. http://www.boblazar.com/closed/calendar.htm DECEMBER 26-30, 1988 --(excerpt)-- G:You already know Thigpen was with the OFI, right? Lazar: No, you say OFI... I'm familiar with the OSI... but what is the OFI? G: The Office of Federal Investigations... which is not something you can look up in the phonebook... it's not a public access like the FBI or CIA... and I'm not totally... George Knapp might be able to help you out a little more there... but they apparently... they do background checks for people that need clearance... they do the background checks and they are a division of the Office of Personnel Management... OPM... which is headquartered in Pennsylvania... and OFI is something almost nobody's ever heard of... Lazar: I had never heard of them... background investigations that I was familiar with were done by the Defense Investigative Service... DIS... and sometimes the FBI would get involved... so this is a new one for me and OSI... is Office of Special Investigations... G: This was definitely OFI... they have an office here in town... Lazar: Yeah, George Knapp managed to track them down... Bob say’s the OFI and OMB were super secret agencies who did his security clearance. This is impossible for the following reasons: 1. The NAVY paid him according to his W2 and the NAVY is under the Department Of Defense. 2. Prior to the year 2000, EVERYONE that worked in a Top Secret capacity in military/DoD programs or at TS facilities gets their clearances from some DoD Agency. Prior to the end of the Cold War it was illegal to mention the name of the National Security Agency and National Reconnaissance Office. But by 1988 even the former secret agencies were acknowledged. And the OMB/OFI weren’t secret. 3. The web page below shows the point when the DoD (i.e. Navy) handed over their own personal security investigative services to the FIS. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:nB3HjPSAl58J:armedservices.house.gov/pdfs/Read021308/Dillaman_Testimony021308.pdf+%22Federal+Investigative+Services%22+history&cd=17&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us By statutory requirement, on February 20, 2005, DOD's personnel security investigations program and staff were consolidated with the OPM investigations staff which is headquartered in Pennsylvania. This meant the absorption of over 1,600 Defense Security Service (DSS) staff by OPM, along with 145,000 background investigations in process, and all ongoing DSS workloads previously handled by DOD. 4. The OPM was a matter of Public Record long before 1988. It was so secret that thousands of articles were written about it. Like the Ultra Top Secret Majestic ‘Washington Post.’ Constance Horner; The Rapidly Risen Star of Personnel Management The Washington Post - March 9, 1987 - Judith Havemann. (This material is published under license from the Washington Post. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Washington Post.) Hide copyright information Copyright http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1310306.html and United States Court of Appeals http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F2/838/1222/280833/ and http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg630.cfm and another appeal case… Office of Personnel Management http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:JPfMBH1Pv74J:www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/fed/opinions/95opinions/95-3356.pdf+%22Office+of+Personnel+Management%22+security+clearances+1988&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 7703(d), the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) petitions for review of the final decision of the Merit Systems Protection Board, Docket No. AT0752900238-R-2, reversing the Department of the Navy's decision to place Raymond Alston on enforced leave after suspending his access to classified information. Alston v. Department of Navy, 62 M.S.P.R. 19 (1994). “The agency (Navy) has a two-part personnel security policy to maintain control over access to classified information. First, employees must have personnel security clearances, which are granted by a Central Adjudication Facility (CAF) after formal, often lengthy, background investigations. 32 C.F.R. § 154.41 (1995).” Thus, section 7513(b) entitles an employee to notice of the reasons for the suspension of his access to classified information when that is the reason for placing the employee on enforced leave pending a decision on the employee's security clearance. Such notice provides the employee with an adequate opportunity to make a meaningful reply to the agency before being placed on enforced leave. Merely providing the employee with information that his access to classified information is being suspended, without more, does not provide the employee with sufficient information to make an informed reply to the agency before being placed on enforced leave. http://www.boblazar.com/closed/calendar.htm JANUARY 1, 1989 L: And I went before Christmas. So before the 23rd... G: Because they broke for Christmas, didn't they... L: Yes, before the 23rd is the second trip there and I don't know where that occurred. He has stated he worked the last week of December on his site. G: Well, (UNCLEAR)... that he read in the reports... that man was a product of externally corrected evolution and that man is a species that's been genetically altered sixty-five times http://www.boblazar.com/closed/02.htm
S4 - THE ROBERT LAZAR STORY
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